[Automated-testing] [board-farm] Some questions (mailinglist, SD MUX and WiFI SD)

[Jeff Osier-Mixon]

Thanks Tim - adding Sean Hudson

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Bird, Timothy <Tim.Bird at sony.com> wrote:

> Cc: people...
>
> Sorry if you got looped into this thread without an introduction.  Here's
> the context:
> There was a Board Farm BOF at ELCE where we discussed setting up an e-mail
> list to discuss
> board-farm related topics.
> Some people added their name to a wiki page (https://elinux.org/Board_Farm
> )
> and now we're discussing the mailing list to use for discussing topics that
> were raised in that session.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mirza Krak on  Monday, October 30, 2017 12:13 AM
> >
> > I collected your email from the Board Farm wiki page on elinux [1],
> > since there is no mailing list (not that I know of at least).
> >
> > My first question would be, who is in charge of setting up a mailing
> > list? That person can consider him poked :).
>
> A few ideas about the mail list made the rounds during the session.
>
> Jan-Simon Möller (of the LF Automotive Grade Linux group) offered to have
> the Linux Foundation create an e-mail list.
>
> However, I believe there's an existing list which is a good fit for this
> and related
> discussions.  It is here:
> https://lists.yoctoproject.org/listinfo/automated-testing
>
> This list was created in 2014 to discuss some harmonization of automated
> test
> systems.  The traffic has since died down, and it's not being used for
> anything
> at the moment.  I intended to ask someone official from the Yocto Project
> if they minded if we "homesteaded" the list for board farm stuff, but
> didn't
> get around to it at ELCE.  I'm copying Jeff Osier-Mixon and Richard Purdie
> on this e-mail
> to give them an opportunity to object to our use of that list for this
> purpose,
> if they want.
>
> Here are the pros and cons:
> == pros
>  - it already exists
>  - it's managed by someone neutral in the DUT controller and board farm
> market
>    (or at least, I don't think that the Yocto Project has a horse in this
> race)
>  - it's archived
>  - I think board farm and board test automation fits the topic of the list
> well
>
> == cons
>  1) maybe YP doesn't want random people using their list
>  2) maybe having it be a YP-run list would dissuade participation
> from people using other build systems (e.g. buildroot)
>
> I think that, with respect to 1, YP would likely be happy to have this
> list used to help advance the state of the industry in board automation
> for testing.  But they can tell us if not. With respect to 2, I don't think
> buildroot devs or other build system devs would think it was a big issue.
> But they can also speak up if they have an issue.
> For good measure, I'm copying that list on this message as well.
>
> So, my proposal is to request everyone on the board farm page to
> subscribe to the above list.  I'll add the list to that page, and we can
> promote
> it as the place to discuss board farm, test automation, DUT controllers,
> DUT control software, DUT control standards, and related topics.
> Once the list is off the ground, we can remove e-mail addresses from
> the wiki page (as that is something problematic).  I would, however, like
> to maintain a list of developers and projects on the wiki, as a resource.
>
> Please respond if this is OK with you, and we can shift the discussions
> to that list.  If I get more than 50% of the people on this thread
> agreeing,
> I'll consider that consensus enough to move forward.
>
> I think the next step after getting notice to those people from the BOF
> would be to extend the circle to people known to be in this space, but
> who I'm not sure were there.  For example were Anna-Maria Gleixner or
> Manuel Traut at the BOF? They presented an interesting approach to DUT
> control in their session at ELCE.
> I think it would be good to invite as many people as possible to join the
> list, before we get too deep into discussions.
>  -- Tim Bird
>
> P.S. One problem with this whole discussion is that there doesn't appear to
> be any single "owner" of this space (or a good definition of exactly
> what the boundaries of the "space" are).  I'm happy to step up and
> initiate some discussions on the e-mail list, but I'd be happy to let
> someone else lead, if they want to instead.  Believe me, I'm not trying
> to build my own empire here. :-) Possible leaders, IMHO, are:
>  - Andrew - since he initiated the BOF and identified some issues which
> IMHO
> are worth collaborating on
>  - Jan - who also had an ELCE presentation and maintains labgrid
>  - Geert - who had a session at last year's ELCE and has shown interest in
> the topic
>  - Kevin Hilman - the founder of KernelCI with an obvious interest in this
> topic
>   (He and Patrick Titiano presented their "lab-in-a-box" concept at ELCE)
>  - Tim - maintainer of Fuego, and ttc (DUT controller software that Sony
> uses and published
>  as Open Source a number of years ago)
>
> If I haven't mentioned you, please don't take it as a slight.  And if I
> have mentioned
> you, please don't take it as a slight. ;-)
>
>


-- 
Jeff Osier-Mixon - Open Source Community Manager, Intel Corporation
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