[yocto] [OE-core] Carrier Grade layer proposal
Bruce Ashfield
bruce.ashfield at windriver.com
Tue Jul 22 13:05:06 PDT 2014
On 14-07-22 01:21 PM, Alexandru Vaduva wrote:
> Hello Bruce,
>
> What I understand from your mail you suggest using the already available linux-yocto tree.
> As an answer to this let me assure that as much as possible the meta-cgl layer will try to do that. If that will not be the case I will let the community know that.
Sounds good. I'm attempting to push everything I do in the yocto
eco system into that same kernel tree. That's why meta-cloud-services
and meta-virtualization don't carry custom kernels, even though they
have some very specific requirements.
> One such case could be grsecurity(which as Joe mentioned changes the kernel quite much) I also expect more such examples exist.
grsec is a well known kernel maintenance cost, but it is something that
we can easily deal with (if we want) in the common yocto kernel. Just look
at how preempt-rt is managed. We wouldn't want that for all boards and
builds, yet it is carried and maintained along with the other features.
One someone gets deeper into development, they may find that they want
to consume the patch series differently, and that's fine, but getting it
along
with the other reference kernel versions and features is a good kickstart
for development.
That means it always patches, and gets CVEs, -stable updates, etc. If
grsec is maintained out of a tree (that may or may not be the plan), you'll
find that even korg -stable updates will break the application and you'll
be in constant refresh mode. Not to mention, repeating the same
standard/boring maintenance tasks across multiple trees, when we could
be developing new features and fixing bugs.
Just more food for thought and options to consider.
>
> Do you consider this subject needs a new email opened for it?
We could, but I just went and blathered on about it above. So we'll see if
an initial direction isn't too far away.
Cheers,
Bruce
> I will think more about this and in the same time gather more information on it.
> I will try to come back with an answer.
>
>
> Alex
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Ashfield [mailto:bruce.ashfield at windriver.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 6:59 PM
> To: akuster; Alexandru Vaduva; Joe MacDonald
> Cc: yocto at yoctoproject.org
> Subject: Re: [yocto] [OE-core] Carrier Grade layer proposal
>
> On 14-07-22 11:54 AM, akuster wrote:
>> Alexandru,
>>
>> Regarding a few packages in category C&D.
>>
>> I have latest samhain building as well as grsecurity (pax patches
>> applied against 3.14.12) in a branch in my meta-security tree. I have
>> a bit more testing to do before I was going to post them.
> And on this note, we should consider the kernel parts and see if getting them into a common location is a good idea.
>
> We already have the linux-yocto tree, and it tracks LTSI, has CVE and -stable tracking, and is maintained to support the set of reference boards.
>
> Creating yet more reference kernel trees doesn't help our goal of fewer trees and a discrete set of kernel versions.
>
> Just something to consider.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bruce
>
>> grsecurity and samhain aren't CGL specific and they maybe belong in a
>> more generalize layer? just a thought.
>>
>> regards,
>> Armin
>>
>>
>> On 07/22/2014 03:52 AM, Alexandru Vaduva wrote:
>>> Hello Joe,
>>>
>>> Here at Enea we are preparing the steps needed for publishing the
>>> layer on the open embedded meta layers initiative:
>>> http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/layers/
>>> For this we started working at a web page that should contain all the
>>> relevant information regarding meta-cgl. It will be available in a
>>> couple of weeks. Until then the layer will be available internally
>>> and the patches should be submitted as the README states: on the
>>> enealinux at lists.enea.com mailing list. We will try to make the switch
>>> to Open Embedded mailing list as quick as possible.
>>>
>>> Regarding the other B, C and D packages that we will try to add into
>>> the meta-cgl layer, I will post this information below, but keep in
>>> mind that this information will also be available on the web page.
>>> Category B packages:
>>> - ifenslave
>>> - evlog
>>> - crash
>>> - mipv6-daemon-umip
>>> - openl2tp
>>> Category C&D packages:
>>> - drbd
>>> - grsecurity
>>> - logcheck
>>> - makedumpfile
>>> - numactl
>>> - ocfs2-tools
>>> - pam_passwdqc
>>> - samhain
>>> - ltt-usertrace
>>> - ftrace
>>> The above lists correspond with only the P1 requirements that we try
>>> to fulfill for the moment. If there are any questions and/or
>>> suggestions regarding this CGL initialtive please address them to me
>>> and I will try to offer a response in the shortest time possible.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joe MacDonald [mailto:joe at deserted.net]
>>> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 10:58 PM
>>> To: Alexandru Vaduva
>>> Cc: Jeff Osier-Mixon; yocto at yoctoproject.org
>>> Subject: Re: [yocto] [OE-core] Carrier Grade layer proposal
>>>
>>> Hey Alex,
>>>
>>> I've been away from this for a bit but now I'm getting time to look
>>> at it again and I was wondering if you had any deeper level of detail
>>> you could share about the work going on in meta-cgl. Obviously since
>>> this is a new registration and one that will look rather different
>>> from all of the other CGL registrations currently, those of us in the
>>> CGL workgroup were quite interested to see this happen. Personally
>>> I'm also interested in this since it's the kind of thing I've been
>>> doing for a long time now and if I can, I'd like to help out. In
>>> particular, if you've got a list of, say, the category B+ items, that
>>> might be something I can do that will be independent of your work on
>>> the more active cat-A stuff. OTOH, cat-A is easy to work on since
>>> those are the items I saw when I was working with meta-cgl a month or
>>> so back. I know you guys are focused on your part of it, but if you
>>> had sort of a "here's how to help us" guide, that'd be awesome.
>>>
>>> Also, I probably missed it, but is the intent to use either the yocto
>>> list or the oe list for all meta-cgl discussions, or do you have a
>>> dedicated list we can sign up for? I see you have guidance for
>>> sending submissions to meta-cgl, but is that a list that's open to
>>> the community, or is it an internal alias / distribution list for Enea?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -J.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Alexandru Vaduva
>>> <Alexandru.Vaduva at enea.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello Jeff,
>>>>
>>>> The errors are package related.
>>>> Meta-cgl can be seen as a non BSP specific layer (it can be viewed
>>>> as the LSB from poky).
>>>> I already started fixing a number, of the already existing errors
>>>> and the patches will be added upstream after proper testing.
>>>> I will continue the bug fixing and package integration (into the
>>>> core-image-cgl image) process and after that is finished I will
>>>> continue with the Category B packages.
>>>>
>>>> I will also try to keep you guys informed about the latest updates,
>>>> mainly on the YPTM, but for those who cannot wait that much, there
>>>> is the Git repository with which they can interact:
>>>> http://git.enea.com/git/?p=linux/meta-cgl.git;a=summary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have a good day,
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: jefro.net at gmail.com [mailto:jefro.net at gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Jeff Osier-Mixon
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 9:22 PM
>>>> To: Alexandru Vaduva
>>>> Subject: Re: [OE-core] Carrier Grade layer proposal
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Alex.
>>>>
>>>> Others on the mailing lists, if you have any comments on the
>>>> contents of this new layer, please mention them on this thread.
>>>>
>>>> Re compilation errors, were they specific to a BSP or were they
>>>> general errors in the packages?
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Alexandru Vaduva
>>>> <Alexandru.Vaduva at enea.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hello Jeff,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The available layer is a work in progress.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the moment we have done an internal mapping of the packages
>>>>> needed inside meta-cgl layer. The mapping is done as following:
>>>>> A. Requirement that map against package/packages with recipes that
>>>>> already exists in Yocto
>>>>> A1. Requirement that map against package/packages with recipes
>>>>> already existing in meta-enea
>>>>> A2. Requirement that map against package/packages with recipes
>>>>> that exists in Yocto (but not in meta-enea) B. Requirement that map
>>>>> against package/packages without any recipe C. Requirement does not
>>>>> directly map against package/packages and needs some investigation.
>>>>> D. Requirement that no solution have been found after a more
>>>>> detailed investigation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When the release was made available on the public repository, the
>>>>> packages from the A1 and A2 were integrated, a bunch of them with
>>>>> compilation errors:
>>>>>
>>>>> - lksctp-tools
>>>>>
>>>>> - openais
>>>>>
>>>>> - pacemaker
>>>>>
>>>>> - openhpi
>>>>>
>>>>> - open-iscsi-user
>>>>>
>>>>> - open-iscsi-kernel
>>>>>
>>>>> - libcap-ng
>>>>>
>>>>> - cluster-glue
>>>>>
>>>>> - cluster-resource-agents
>>>>>
>>>>> The activity on the meta-cgl was resumed today and those build and
>>>>> integration errors will be dealt next.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On the longer run we will try to create recipes and/or fulfill all
>>>>> the other requirements from the class B, C, and D.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have further questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Jon Aldama
>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 1:07 PM
>>>>> To: Alexandru Vaduva; Cosmin Moldoveanu; Jenny Andersson; David
>>>>> Nyström
>>>>> Cc: Daniel Bornaz; Adrian Dudau
>>>>> Subject: RE: Carrier Grade layer proposal
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger that! Thanks Alexandru!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Alexandru Vaduva
>>>>> Sent: den 27 juni 2014 11:43
>>>>> To: Jon Aldama; Cosmin Moldoveanu; Jenny Andersson; David Nyström
>>>>> Cc: Daniel Bornaz; Adrian Dudau
>>>>> Subject: RE: Carrier Grade layer proposal
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Jon,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We will first have an internal meeting on Monday and after that I
>>>>> will offer an answer to Jeff.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Jon Aldama
>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 12:32 PM
>>>>> To: Cosmin Moldoveanu; Jenny Andersson; David Nyström
>>>>> Cc: Alexandru Vaduva; Daniel Bornaz; Adrian Dudau
>>>>> Subject: RE: Carrier Grade layer proposal
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Cosmin,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alexandru, could you please respond Jeff at the mailing list? (see
>>>>> down
>>>>> below)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Jon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Cosmin Moldoveanu
>>>>> Sent: den 27 juni 2014 10:59
>>>>> To: Jenny Andersson; Jon Aldama; David Nyström
>>>>> Cc: Alexandru Vaduva; Daniel Bornaz; Adrian Dudau
>>>>> Subject: RE: Carrier Grade layer proposal
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alexandru Vaduva will be main responsible for interfacing with
>>>>> community on meta-cgl topic. He will also attend Yocto Technical
>>>>> Meetings whenever necessary from now on.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BR,
>>>>>
>>>>> /Cosmin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Jenny Andersson
>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 10:32 AM
>>>>> To: Jon Aldama; David Nyström; Cosmin Moldoveanu
>>>>> Cc: Valentin Cobelea
>>>>> Subject: RE: Carrier Grade layer proposal
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Cosmin,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How took over after Valentin left Enea? Could someone in your team
>>>>> respond.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Jon Aldama
>>>>> Sent: den 27 juni 2014 09:28
>>>>> To: David Nyström; Jenny Andersson
>>>>> Cc: Valentin Cobelea
>>>>> Subject: FW: Carrier Grade layer proposal
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> David, Jenny,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Will any of you answer this?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, have you managed to file the Yocto compatibility application?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Jon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Osier-mixon, Jeffrey [mailto:jeffrey.osier-mixon at intel.com]
>>>>> Sent: den 26 juni 2014 20:36
>>>>> To: David Nyström; davide.ricci at windriver.com; challinan at gmail.com;
>>>>> teodor.bobornilo at windriver.com; Valentin Cobelea;
>>>>> chase.maupin at ti.com; Jon Aldama; philip.balister at gmail.com;
>>>>> kevin_mccombe at mentor.com; akuster at mvista.com;
>>>>> jason.wessel at windriver.com; richard.purdie at linuxfoundation.org;
>>>>> hui.geng at huawei.com; john_cherry at mentor.com;
>>>>> jeffrey.osier-mixon at intel.com
>>>>> Cc: Philip Balister
>>>>> Subject: YP: Carrier Grade layer proposal
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all - this is a simple followup to our meeting at ELC regarding
>>>>> a meta-cgl layer, proposed by Enea.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The plan was to create a list of recipes to be included, and to
>>>>> start a discussion on the mailing list.There is a thread on the
>>>>> list from back in April, but I don't see anything more recent than
>>>>> that. Has there been any progress?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>>
>>>>
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