Tuesday, 2018-06-19

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justinsgdennism: have you checked the release notes for the fslc releases? http://freescale.github.io/doc/release-notes/2.4/00:33
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i7clockI think the git link is broken on the yocto website... git clone -b sumo git://git.yoctoproject.org/poky.git returns fatal: repository '...' not found07:25
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distsysHello Yocto Community07:27
i7clockHi07:27
distsyshow to use apt instead apt-get when selecting deb as package management feature ?07:29
i7clockno idea :/07:29
i7clocki also just joined to ask a question -.-07:29
distsys(y)07:29
i7clocksry07:29
distsysActually apt-get is used by default once we are going to work with deb package management07:30
distsysso if someone else has an idea, do not hesitate to ping07:31
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interruptguyHi. I have a problem that I try to solve and I could use some help :). I'm doing a new image fstype which is a signed archive containing u-boot, kernel and rootfs. How can I identify at the creation of the fstype, the names of u-boot binaries (SPL and U-Boot). I did identify the kernel by using KERNEL_IMAGETYPE var. However I'm not able to find a uniform solution for U-Boot. Any ideas?08:21
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LetoThe2ndi7clock: can't confirm, the chackout seems to work fine here.08:47
LetoThe2nddistsys: actually, this is not how yocto respectively openembedded package management works08:48
LetoThe2nddistsys: if you actually want ubuntu or debian, then you're probably better off using ubuntu or debian08:48
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vladzouthHi, i am building yocto images for Karo TX6S target (https://www.karo-electronics.com/856.html?&L=1). I would like to know how to create an qemu image for my target. Must i create a new build directory and specify a qemu machine target or on the same build as my Karo target machine build i can build a qemu image? Thanks in advance08:49
LetoThe2ndvladzouth: the former holds true, as you basically build a new MACHINE08:51
LetoThe2ndvladzouth: but no idea if qemu is able to emulate imx6. and it almost certainly is not able to reproduce board specific things (unless you implement that.)08:53
vladzouthLetothe2nd: thanks you!08:55
vladzouthLetoThe2nd: is there a way to know the list of available machine for qemu in yocto?08:56
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vladzouththe one i found is https://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/1.8/ref-manual/ref-manual.html#var-MACHINE . But the qemu arm emulate an armv5 but i would like to emulate a cortex-a908:58
LetoThe2ndvladzouth: http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/machines/?q=qemu&search=108:58
LetoThe2ndvladzouth: those in openembedded-core are kinda "mainline"08:59
vladzouthLetoThe2nd: Ok thanks!09:02
distsysLetoThe2nd: I think you didnt understand me... Actually i was talking about runtime package managemt for the final image09:06
distsysLetoThe2nd: once i add  package-management to the image feature09:07
distsyshttps://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/dev-manual/dev-manual.html#using-runtime-package-management09:07
LetoThe2nddistsys: i think i understood you very well.09:09
distsysLetoThe2nd: so if the PACKAGE_CLASSES is set to deb, then is it possibe to managemt packages from the final image, using the apt command instead of apt-get09:09
LetoThe2nddistsys: of course you can, technically do that. but its a bad idea, imho. the deb file format is by far the least tested and supported one, so if you totally think you need runtime package management (which is almost never the case in my experience) and you are totally aware of the fact that you have to run and maintain all repository servers yourself then, at least pick either ipk or rpm09:10
distsysoh09:11
LetoThe2nddistsys: rpm is the default choice of wind river (and poky) and sees a fair amount of testing, whereas ipk is the openemnbedded default. we hear about funny deb failures now and then, but to be honest, nobody really seems to care09:11
LetoThe2nddistsys: so, do you still think i did not understand the question?09:11
LetoThe2nddistsys: runtime package management is so much more than just installing $PACKAGEMANAGERFRONTENDOFYOURCHOICE. in fact, thats only the last 5% of the whole thing.09:12
distsysLetoThe2nd: hmm... I think you did... Now i got your answer... may i didnt your first short answer :)09:13
LetoThe2nd:-)09:13
LetoThe2nddistsys: oh and for your reference, the apt recipe is here: http://cgit.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/recipes-devtools/apt/apt_1.2.24.bb?h=master09:14
LetoThe2nddistsys: the really important point to understand is that just because you might be using deb/apt, neither ubuntu nor debian will feed you. its all up to you, yourself09:15
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pk_during do compile sysroot folder come's into existence and stores src files09:22
pk_but i want to know why do we need sysroot folder,09:22
pk_anyone please help.09:22
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LetoThe2ndpk_: didn't you ask about the very same question already 3 times this week, and didn't you receive answers?09:23
pk_no09:24
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nayfepk_: each recipe has its own sysroot you can check https://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/mega-manual/mega-manual.html#new-sharing-files-between-recipes maybe09:24
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LetoThe2ndpk_: so again: the host-signature sysroot contains all the tooling needed to run on the host, and the target signature sysroot contains basically all the libraries and headers that the toolchain needs (in later revisions of poky/OE per recipe, in earlier ones per build)09:25
LetoThe2ndpk_: here again, is the link to the explanatoin: https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-sysroot09:25
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LetoThe2ndpk_: please don't make it another time.09:25
pk_ok LetoThe2nd09:26
nayfeAnyone's using Intel arch? I'll receive a Skylake-S soon and I'm wondering which bootloader to use? (i mostly used arm)09:29
nayfeAnd do I need to use genericx86-64 or intel-corei7-64 ?09:30
distsysLetoThe2nd: the deb file format is by far the least tested and supported one... so if you totally think you need runtime package management ... at least pick either ipk or rpm...09:30
distsysLetoThe2nd: these are very sad news for me09:30
rburtonnayfe: use meta-intel09:31
distsysLetoThe2nd: I just switched from the RPM world (suse, zypper) to the DEB world (debian, apt)09:31
LetoThe2nddistsys: what gain do you expect from deb over rpm, or more specifically ipk?09:31
rburtondistsys: of course the package manager tooling is mostly irrelevant to that discussion, especially when you're talking about neither suse or debian09:32
LetoThe2nddistsys: ipk is "kinda" compatible, and dpkg can be used to inspect the packages for example09:32
distsysLetoThe2nd, rburton: Ok, fine :)09:33
LetoThe2nddistsys: really, the main point is understanding the whole package repository setup, maintenance, in short "burden". after that, picking a specific format is kinda... "hatever"09:33
LetoThe2nd*whatever, even09:33
nayferburton: thx, any advice about bootloader?09:33
rburtonnayfe: the default one works :)09:34
yoctiNew news from stackoverflow: Difference between SRC_URI and FILESEXTRAPATHS_prepend in bitbake <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/46342810/difference-between-src-uri-and-filesextrapaths-prepend-in-bitbake>09:35
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nayferburton: ok thanks, it seems i worry too much ;)09:38
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cornelhello09:52
cornelswitching from rocko to sumo for our local repo, a new error shows-up: 'CMake was unable to find a build program corresponding to "Unix Makefiles". CMAKE_MAKE_PROGRAM is not set'09:55
corneli have tried setting various variables (OECMAKE_GENERATOR and others) in various places (recipe, local.conf, cmake.bbclass) but it did not help09:56
cornelis there any known fix for this problem?09:56
cornelthis is for some of our internal recipes09:59
rburtoncornel: cmake class defaults to ninja10:00
LetoThe2ndcornel: have you checked upstream if there have been recent fixes for cmake based recipes?10:00
rburtonwhy not just use ninja?10:01
cornelrburton: yes, but setting OECMAKE_GENERATOR there to Unix Makefiles makes no difference10:01
LetoThe2ndrburton: fear of the dark, probably (tm iron maiden)10:01
cornelrburton: LetoThe2nd: the test was like this: on the same local repo clone, i have used the 'sumo' cmake and the 'rocko' cmake. For the 'rocko' cmake it complained about some duplicate files ,for 'sumo' cmake it complained about Unix Makefiles10:03
cornelexcept cmake, everything else was the same10:03
cornelnow i know that this does noty mean much but for the sake of simplicity i've assumed that the problem comes with the new cmake10:04
cornelwe are trying to migrate away from some jethro commit10:04
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LetoThe2ndcornel: stupid question. have you checked that your OECMAKE_GENERATOR actually has effect? like, in bitbake -e10:05
cornelso if i just let poky in the sumo state, our recipe complains about unix makefiles10:05
cornelLetoThe2nd: i believe not but i have not actually check10:06
cornelthanks for reminding me10:06
LetoThe2ndcornel: then start there :)10:06
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cornelLetoThe2nd: by default it uses ninja10:08
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LetoThe2ndcornel: and does your value actually get applied? or is it overwritten again?? lik10:09
cornelLetoThe2nd: just a moment10:11
corneltrying to rebuild with changes10:13
interruptguyHi. I have a problem that I try to solve and I could use some help :). I'm doing a new image fstype which is a signed archive containing u-boot, kernel and rootfs. How can I identify at the creation of the fstype, the names of u-boot binaries (SPL and U-Boot). I did identify the kernel by using KERNEL_IMAGETYPE var. However I'm not able to find a uniform solution for U-Boot. Any ideas?10:15
cornelso: OCMAKE_GENERATOR gets the recipe value, then i get a line where generator args is stet to unix makefiles and later i get a line where OECMAKE_GENERATOR_ARGS are again set to Ninja-specific10:16
cornelLetoThe2nd: ^10:16
LetoThe2ndcornel: usually you get the exact file and IIRC even line number where it gets reassigned10:16
LetoThe2ndcornel: maybe you are just setting it in your recipe ABOVE the inherit cmake? :-P10:17
cornelah10:17
cornelit' an if-else10:17
cornelif Unix set unix, if Ninja set ninja10:17
rburtonthe py to set mojo is probably running a bit earlier so set OECMAKE_GENERATOR before the inherit10:18
corneli see10:18
cornellet me try it10:18
cornelit as at the end10:18
cornelWas10:18
LetoThe2nd(or just fix your project so it also builds properly with ninja :) )10:18
cornelnever thought order is important :/10:19
rburtonyeah that's a better fix :)10:19
LetoThe2ndcornel: first things first applies to everybody, except doctor who10:19
cornelit seems d.getVar("MAKE") is empty10:23
cornelrburton,what was the inherit you were thinking of?10:24
* cornel doesn't know doctor who10:26
LetoThe2ndcornel: he citation is "first things first, but not necessarily in that order" - doctor who10:27
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cornel:)10:27
corneli was wrong10:34
cornelMAke has 'make' value but maybe it's not found in the path10:34
interruptguyno advice for my problem :)10:37
rburtonconf/bitbake.conf:export MAKE = "make"10:45
rburtonMAKE can't be empty10:45
rburtonwhat we're learning here is that maybe oeqa needs a pair of cmake tests, one for ninja and one for make10:46
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cornelrburton: thank you, gonna try, but i'm afraid our local build tools must be adapted to the new yocto11:49
uenihallo, has anyone tried to populate a sdk from "core-image-minimal" [poky, branch: sumo] image? I get a error that tell the file .../sysroots/x86_64-gaz_sdk-linux/usr/lib/locale is missing. That's true, the hole folder "x86_64-gaz_sdk-linux" is missing. Has this something to do with the "meta/lib/oe/sdk.py"?11:52
rburtonworks for me,  what bitbake command are you doing?11:53
LetoThe2ndueni: my gut feeling is that its related to that "gaz" thing in your machine signature11:53
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ueni LetoThe2nd: Thank you, i will check this11:55
cornelrburton: unfortunately this does not help. I'm afraid our local project specifics must be corrected11:56
LetoThe2ndueni: i mean, tell us a little about your configuration? MACHINE, DISTRO, ...?11:56
uenirburton: I have an image recipe in my layer that includes the core-image-minimal.bb image.11:57
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ueniMACHINE: it's a custom machine similar to a Raspberry3 and its derived from the meta-raspberry layer; DISTRO: also custom; That is where the gaz signature come from.12:01
LetoThe2ndueni: well then, good luck digging12:02
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ueniThe DISTRO contains sume meta data such as maintainer, vendor, sdk-name, and so on12:03
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RPrburton: change LICENSE and the recipe doesn't rebuild :(12:07
rburtonhuh12:07
RPrburton: hmm, maybe user error, sorry12:07
RPyes, thankfully12:07
RPthat had me worried for a minute12:08
kanavin_homerburton: here's the fix for meson that dealt with similar (or maybe even same) issue http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/poky/tree/meta/recipes-devtools/meson/meson/0001-Linker-rules-move-cross_args-in-front-of-output_args.patch12:10
rburtonfun12:10
kanavin_homemaybe the fix applies, but no longer has desired effect somehow, in any case randy should carefully check the command lines in both cases12:10
kanavin_homenot sure what is his nick here12:11
rburtonvmeson12:11
kanavin_homevmeson: ^^^12:11
rburtoni wonder if vmeson has identified that it is meson with a bisect, or whether the new gcc could be to blame12:12
kanavin_homerburton: reverting the meson update could clear that up12:12
rburtonyeah12:12
kanavin_homerburton: in any case ppc support is going away, right?12:12
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rburtonjust some bits, or something12:13
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kanavin_homeI wonder if we should elevate risc-v to first class at some point12:16
kanavin_homeI fully support the idea of open hardware12:16
rburtonis there a qemu machine for riscv12:16
RPrburton: I think khem had something basic working12:17
RPkanavin_home: Its a question of maintenance and someone willing to step up and sponsor/drive it12:17
rburtonoh look https://github.com/riscv/meta-riscv/blob/master/conf/machine/qemuriscv64.conf12:19
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kanavin_homekhem is a star12:21
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RPrburton: I've put a few things in -next, ok to test that or anything I should add/drop first?12:24
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rburtonoh good you just pulled in most of what i just build tested12:28
rburtonclean up the bind message to remove the revision log? :)12:28
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rburtonbind is the only one i've not reviewed already12:29
rburtonso go for it12:29
rburtoni've got a bundle with some meson tweaks in to sit on top of it too12:29
rburtonyou know it would be nice if the AB had a 'build only' mode for speed12:30
RPrburton: I squashed maintainer removal into your omap ones12:30
rburtoncool12:30
* RP tweaks bind and fires12:30
RPrburton: leaving meson to you for now ;-)12:31
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rburtonall because i discovered libdrm was doing the wrong thing and now i'm writing test suites for meson :)12:31
vladzouthHi , i would like to build yocto image for qemu cortex a9 machine. there is a layer meta-qemuarma9 (https://github.com/OverC/meta-qemuarma9/blob/master/conf/machine/qemuarma9.conf) which contain the machine conf file for cortex a9 but there is no image recipe for building yocto image. How can i do to inherit from other layer image recipes to build a yocto image?12:32
Crofton|workvladzouth, you should be able to use existing images like core-image-minimal12:35
vladzouthCrofton|work: It's not working. i have the following error: "No recipe available for:"12:36
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vladzouthCrofton|work: And it lists me the available recipes that is in the layer meta-qemuamra9: linux-windriver_4.8 linux-yocto_4.1212:38
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Crofton|workyou added the layer to an oe-core build?12:50
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uenirburton & LetoThe2nd: thank you for your help, it was an misspelling by selecting the right distro, so that the folder in the sdk wasn't created and error messages was created by sdk.py12:56
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kanavin_homerburton: do you know if derek the python guy is on this channel?12:58
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kanavin_homeah, asteriusio I guess :)12:58
kanavin_homeasteriusio: how is the python 3.6 update thing going?12:59
rburtonah, i'll try and remember that nick :)12:59
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kanavin_homerburton: I guess it'll fall back to me otherwise, but alex's python-sanity project will ruthless drop stuff that I don't undersand or care for :)13:00
Crofton|workkanavin_home, please a recipe for scipy :)13:03
kanavin_homeis there not one already?13:04
ftDevIs Autobuilder still best for automated yocto build tests ?13:12
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rburtonftDev: its one option13:26
rburtonothers use jenkins13:26
rburtonthe new autobuilder-helper is builder-agnostic and should let you use any CI thing and reuse logic in autobuilder-helper13:26
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ftDevrburton: Got it thanks.13:48
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yoctiNew news from stackoverflow: Yocto - how to create a repository with project specific changes <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/41670816/yocto-how-to-create-a-repository-with-project-specific-changes>14:06
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yoctiNew news from stackoverflow: bitbake: How to include .so build by one recipe into another recipe <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/50930800/bitbake-how-to-include-so-build-by-one-recipe-into-another-recipe>14:36
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armpitYPTM- armin is on14:54
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sjolleyYPTM: Zoom Meeting: https://zoom.us/j/99089271214:59
sjolleyYPTM: Stephen Joined14:59
fraywhat is a 'zoom meeting'?14:59
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JPEW_YPTM: Joshua Watt here15:00
zeddiiYPTM:  Bruce Ashfield joined15:00
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armpitsjolley, I can hear you15:00
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sjolleyarmpit - I can't hear anyone15:01
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sjolleyI will dail back in15:01
armpitk15:01
npongratzYPTM: Nick from Singlewire is on the call15:01
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frayyes I can hear you15:04
armpitsjolley, I can hear you15:04
zeddiiI CAN HEAR YOU CLEARLY NOW!15:04
Crofton|workI can see clearly now the rain is gone!15:04
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mwhoosierYPTM: Matt Hoosier (Garmin)15:07
aehs29YPTM: Alejandro joined15:07
JPEW_https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Lr8KgkmmCZ84RF_ThIwnT3WWxMv_tUsHkpRV5PXTd0s/edit?usp=sharing15:08
frayyes15:09
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sjolleyYPTM: is over15:13
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RPSorry I missed the meeting, need to work on my calendering :/15:47
fraybetter setup an exchange server...15:48
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fray<snicker/>15:48
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JPEWHmm.... exchange server bitbake recipe ;)15:54
* RP shudders15:56
frayno no...15:56
fraybitbake exchange-server15:56
Crofton|workRP, off by one hour problem?15:57
RPCrofton|work: just didn't realise there was a call this week (mid month)15:58
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RPCrofton|work: not on the calender so no reminder either15:58
armpitRP, we are waiting15:58
Crofton|workheh, I just have to fix all the invite times I get15:59
frayRP, actually neither did I..  saw the meeting thing on the channel just before the call15:59
fray(I"ve come to terms with exchange ignoring meeting invites from sjolley.. no idea why it does that.. but it does)15:59
Crofton|workclearly we need a session at OEDEM "Calendaring"15:59
JPEWRP, it was short. You didn't miss much.... not a lot of discussion.15:59
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JPEWExchange used to perpetually think I was the same person as one of my co-workers.... it was an ongoing joke that we were different manifestations of the same entity16:00
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manuel__hi people. i'm having issues with building an sdk. I want the sdk to include one of my python packages. It works just fine when adding it to DEPENDS when building a normal image, but I can't for the life of me get it to appear in my sdk17:12
manuel__let me put the recipe on gist.github17:12
kergothDEPENDS is not used to add packages to either an image or an sdk, it controls what's build to satisfy build time dependencies17:15
manuel__https://gist.github.com/wesen/a0ee2892a094a859a43d285eb734bc7f17:15
kergothIMAGE_INSTALL is used to add packages to an image, TOOLCHAIN_HOST_TASK and TOOLCHAIN_TARGET_TASK are used to add packages to an sdk17:15
manuel__yeah, DEPENDS makes the build-time dependency use that python package. the uavcan package isd required as a step build in our cmake build to generate some header files17:15
kergothboth of which are included in the yocto project documentation17:15
kergothalso depends on whether you're using a recipe dedicated to sdk construction (meta-toolchain, etc) or using populate_sdk okn an image recipe17:16
kergothin the case of hte latter, the sdk starts with content mirroring what went into the image17:16
manuel__so i tried adding python3-uavcan-native to my TOOLCHAIN_HOST_TASK, but that didn't work17:16
manuel__i use populate_sdk on a dedicated "sdk" image17:17
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manuel__i added BBCLASSEXTEND = "nativesdk" and use nativesdk-python3-uavcan right now, let's see what it does. i know i'm "pattern matching" to problem solve without really understanding what i'm doing17:19
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manuel__ok, that worked17:25
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kergoth-native can't be added to an sdk, as native isn't pckaged17:32
kergothnativesdk is hte right approach, yeah17:32
kergothRP: Hmm, wonder if it'd be worth adding support for git bundles to the git fetcher. ie. fetch any bundles, add them to the cloned repo as remotes, fetch them, and then and only then verify SRCREV is now available. would make it a lot easier to ship a good chunk of changes against i.e. an upstream repository without having to git format-patch a ton of patches into SRC_URI17:34
* kergoth ponders17:34
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kergothalthough, unless ls-remote would be viable, it'd limit options, so perhapps not17:36
kergothjust a random thought17:36
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JPEWIs "bundle" some specific git thing I am unfamilar with?17:37
JPEWs/thing/term/17:37
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kergothJPEW: yes, it's a git command for distributing refs and objects between git repositories via archive files17:44
JPEWhmm, interesting17:45
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khemkergoth: yeah its interesting indeed see https://www.zapcc.com/demo-webkit/17:47
khemkergoth: combination of distcc+compiler in one17:47
khem9min vs 39mins I will take it anyday17:47
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JPEWkhem: Needs to be icecream+compiler ;)17:48
khemoh yes that too17:48
JPEW(which is probably much harder since it has a host side daemon)17:48
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rburtonkergoth: i don't suppose i can convince you to make bb log work again, i'm too lazy to fix it up but it is so useful ;)19:46
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kergothagreed, its a good idea19:48
kergothand probably trivial to fix19:48
rburtonyeah19:49
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fraybb log?19:50
kergothi kind of want bb-contents back too, even though its just a trivial wrapper around oe-pkg-data-util, oe-pkgdata-util list-pkg-files -p  foo is awkward19:50
kergothfray: just a little script that shows the console log if no args are passed, most recent task log for a recipe if recipe name is passed, or specific task log if recipe+task is specified19:51
frayrburton have you seen the WR live-logging patches?19:51
frayyou can tell bitbake to just display the build logs while it's building and such..19:51
rburtonfray: yeah saw them demod a while back.  in this case i just wanted to see the log after the build though19:52
frayok19:52
rburtonkergoth: bb contents works in my repo, it just calls oe-pkgdata-util for you :)19:52
frayhttps://github.com/WindRiver-OpenSourceLabs/bitbake/commits/wr-10.18-2018061119:52
frayit's the 6 knotty patches.. (rebased on the 20180611 master version of bitbake)19:53
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kergothah nice19:56
kergothnever did test those19:56
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kergothfray: hitting an issue where a glibc recipe (not oe-core's) is seeing filerprovides of libc.so(GLIBC_2.25) instead of libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.25), even though SONAME is libc.so.6 according to readelf. any thoughts?21:17
* kergoth isn't very familiar with the filedeps bits21:17
kergothhmm21:18
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fraythinking21:26
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fraycheck both readelf and objdump show the same SONAME info.. assuming it's right there, I'm not sure why it would display incorrectly through that path21:27
jrhenry_Hello everybody! I'm not sure if this is a right place but do we have a plan to upgrade the Python 3 recipe to Python version 3.6 or even 3.7?21:28
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kergothfray: yep, both show SONAME as libc.so.6. oddly this happens both with glibc-external and glibc-sourcery using this particular toolchain and associated glibc sources, so i'm assuming it's something about this particular glibc branch or how it's being built, but i haven't the slightest clue what's causing it to pick up the wrong name in the first place, so don't really know where to begin :)21:35
kergothvery odd21:35
* kergoth scratches head21:35
kergothwell i'll review the commits/patches we used on top of 2.27 in case it's one of those, or perhaps just drop them and try building stock 2.27 for comparison..21:35
frayare you sure that the glibc-extern/sourcery classe/recipes aren't munging them?21:36
frayI know if the past they did..21:36
fray...but the last time I actively used them was 4? years ago now... so it's been a while21:36
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kergothhmm, we have multiple functions in oe.recipeutils that don't work with tinfoil's cookeradapter. that's irritating22:41
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khemkergoth: bb.utils.contains_multi is the right thing when I have to depend on more than 1 variable being true or false22:53
khemis that correct ?22:53
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